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How to Be a Good Listener: The Rarest Luxury

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She put her fork down every time someone spoke to her. Not rested it against the rim of the plate, ready to pick up again: put it down, tines to the left, and folded both hands in her lap.

She was in her seventies, in dark green silk with a brooch at the collar, seated beside the dullest man at a very long dinner, and without knowing it she was showing me how to be a better listener, more plainly than anyone has before or since. He talked to her about drainage for most of the main course. I was three places down and I watched her the whole time. She turned her shoulders to him, not only her head. She let him finish every sentence. At one point she asked, "And what happens when it floods?", and he talked for another ten minutes as though he'd been waiting his whole life for someone to ask.

As the coats were being fetched I heard him tell our host she was the most interesting woman he had ever met. She had said perhaps twenty words.

If you came here wanting the short answer, that's it, and it's almost all of it. Give the other person your whole attention, let them finish, and ask about the thing they actually said rather than the thing you were waiting to say. Everything below is detail. People ask me about this more than almost anything else, so I'll take the questions as they usually come.

What does being a good listener actually mean?

It means the other person leaves feeling that, for a few minutes, nothing else in the world was more interesting to you than them. That's the result. The methods are secondary.

"Give someone your whole attention and they'll remember you for years." House rule 44.

Notice what the rule says. Not your best advice, not your wittiest reply. Your whole attention. It's the rarest thing anyone can give now, rarer than money, and it's the one luxury that costs the giver nothing but a little discipline. The woman in green silk was, I later learned, very rich indeed. Nobody at that table remembered it. They remembered the fork.

How do I become a better listener when my mind keeps jumping ahead?

Everybody's does. You hear the first half of a sentence, you think you know the second half, and off you go, drafting your reply while they're still speaking. The face gives it away. There's a particular look of polite impatience, eyebrows slightly raised, lips slightly parted, that says "I'm next."

Three things help me. First, I give my body something to do that is the opposite of hurrying: hands still, in the lap or flat on the table, feet on the floor. The mind follows the body more often than the other way round. Second, I try to listen for one specific detail I could ask about afterwards. A name, a place, a word they used twice. It gives the restless part of the brain a job. Third, when they finish, I count one, silently, before I say anything. That single second is the most useful habit I've ever acquired. It tells people you've taken in what they said, and it stops you trampling the end of their sentence, which is often where the real thing was hiding.

Isn't active listening just nodding and repeating things back?

It can be, when it's done badly, and it's often done badly. I once sat through a meeting with a young man who had clearly been on a course. Every time anyone spoke he nodded three times and said "So what I'm hearing is…" and then repeated the sentence back, slightly worse. By the fourth time, the woman opposite him had stopped saying anything at all. She felt handled, and she was right.

The idea behind active listening is perfectly sound: pay attention, and show you've understood. The trouble is that people can smell a technique the way they can smell a sales pitch, from across the room. So I'd keep the repetition for facts that matter ("So that's Thursday at four, not Friday.") and otherwise let your next question do the proving. If you ask about something they said ten minutes ago, they know you were listening. No nodding required.

How do I stop interrupting people?

Catch yourself, apologise briefly, give it back. "Sorry, I cut across you. Go on." Say it once and mean it, and don't turn the apology into a speech.

Then, over time, notice when you interrupt. For most people it isn't random. It's when they're excited, when they're anxious, or when they think they already know the answer. Mine was the last one. I used to finish people's sentences for them, and I thought it showed how quick I was. It showed that I didn't think they could get there on their own.

A friend who runs a small firm told me once, in the gentlest possible way, "Jo, you've done it four times this morning." I was mortified. I was also grateful. After that I kept a pen in my hand in meetings and, whenever I felt the urge to jump in, I wrote the word down instead. By the end of most meetings I had a list of words I'd been about to say. Most of them turned out to be unnecessary.

What if the person is boring?

Usually, they're not. Usually you haven't found the right question yet. The drainage man was dull on drainage in general; he was riveting on the particular flood he'd dealt with at twenty-six, alone, at three in the morning, with a torch in his teeth. The woman in green found it by asking what happened when things went wrong. People are rarely interesting about their jobs and almost always interesting about the moment their job went wrong, or about how they came to be doing it at all.

"How did you end up doing that?" has rescued more dinners than any wine I've ever poured.

And sometimes, yes, a person is simply boring, and you have given them a good fifteen minutes of your whole attention, and now you may, with great courtesy, turn back to the others. Listening well doesn't mean listening forever. Leaving a conversation well is a small cousin of leaving a party gracefully: go while it's still pleasant, with a warm line and no excuse, and the bore will remember you kindly too.

What should I say when someone tells me something painful?

Less than you think. The instinct, when a friend tells you her marriage is in trouble or his father is ill, is to do something useful: offer a solution, or offer a story of your own so they know they aren't alone. Both are kindly meant. Both take the conversation away from them.

The lines I avoid are "I know exactly how you feel" (you don't, quite), "At least…" (anything after "at least" is a small dismissal), and "You should…" (not yet). The lines I use are shorter. "That sounds very hard." "Tell me what happened." "And how are you, in all of it?" Then I stay quiet for longer than feels comfortable, because people often say the important thing on the second try, once they're sure you're still there. Advice can come later, if it's asked for. Most of the time it isn't, and what they wanted was simply a witness.

How do I make people feel heard when I don't agree with them?

This is where listening stops being a social grace and becomes a form of power. Most arguments go wrong because both people are defending positions the other hasn't actually stated. So before you disagree, prove you've understood. Say their point back in your own words, without the eye-roll. "So your worry is that we're moving too fast, because the last time we did, it went badly." Then wait for them to say yes.

That yes changes the temperature of the whole conversation. Now you can say, "I see it differently, and here's why," and they are far more likely to hear you, because they've just been heard. You can make someone feel heard and still disagree with every word they said. Understanding, shown once, is enough.

When you do reply, go slowly. The first sentence after a disagreement sets the temperature for everything that follows, and a quick one always sounds like a counter-attack, even when it isn't.

How do I listen properly on the phone?

With more care than in person, because the caller has nothing to go on but your voice, and they can hear you not listening. They can hear typing. They can hear the particular hollow "mm" of somebody reading an email. They can hear you walking into another room to put the kettle on.

So I stop. If a call matters, I sit down, close the laptop, and keep a pen and a sheet of paper in front of me. Not to take minutes: to catch the one thing I'll ask about when they've finished. A daughter's exam results, a name I didn't know, the word "worried", used once and then hurried past. I learned that from Mrs Carrow, who ran the front of house at the hotel where I once worked and took every booking by telephone with a pencil behind her ear. She never interrupted a caller, and she never had to ask anyone to repeat a surname. She wrote it down the first time.

At a table the rule is simpler still, and I've been strict about it in the table manners that still matter: the phone goes in a bag, not face down beside your plate. A person can't listen to you and keep half an eye on a screen, however quiet it is.

Doesn't listening make you a pushover? I've been told I should speak up more.

This is the question I care about most, because I spent years getting the answer wrong.

In my twenties I shared a flat, and a bank account I wasn't allowed to look at, with a man who liked the sound of his own opinions a great deal. Everyone around us would have called me a wonderful listener. I was quiet. I nodded. I remembered everything he said. But I wasn't listening to him in any sense that mattered. I was monitoring him, watching his mood the way you watch the sky before a walk. That isn't attention. That's fear, sitting very still.

Listening out of fear is surveillance. Listening from calm is power. They look the same from across a room, which is why people confuse them. The difference is in what happens afterwards. The frightened listener agrees. The calm listener asks a question, and then another, and very often ends up steering the whole conversation from her chair. Rule 19 in House Rules says it in eleven words: "The person asking the questions is the person holding the pen."

So no, speaking less doesn't make you smaller. Chosen quiet is one of the strongest positions in any room, which is the whole argument of the power of silence. The only condition is that it has to be chosen.

How do I actually practise this, day to day?

Deliberately, and one conversation at a time, because nobody becomes a good listener in general. You become a good listener at Tuesday's lunch, and then at Wednesday's phone call, and eventually it's simply how you are.

If I could hand you one page, it would be the one you fill in each morning in The Other Side, and one line on it in particular. It's the last of the four, called The move: the single concrete thing you'll do today. On the days I'm working on listening, that line gets embarrassingly specific. "Lunch with Kate: ask about her mother's house, don't mention mine." "Board call: count one before every answer." "Dinner: fork down." One line, written with coffee, and by lunch you've already decided what kind of listener you're going to be. Some days I manage it. On the day of the lunch with Kate I talked about my own mother's house for twenty minutes, and the next morning the move said the same thing again.

Presence has its own week in the journal, which is where this belongs, and the journal is part of The Full House. Start with one move tomorrow morning. Fork down.

I found out, years after that dinner, that the woman in green silk had once been very poor, and had married well, and had been widowed early, and had built something considerable on her own. None of it came up that night. She didn't need it to. My grandmother, who dressed women like her for a living, had seen the same thing long before me, and wrote it down in the plainest words she had:

"The ones who listen best have usually been ignored at some time. They remember what it cost them, and they will not charge it to anyone else."
Grandma Jo
Jo

Grandma Jo writes a note here every morning. Author of The Other Side and House Rules.

Grandma Jo is an AI-created character. The rules, and the books, are very real.

Questions people ask

The short answers

How can I be a better listener in conversation?

Give the other person your whole attention: body turned towards them, phone out of sight, hands still. Let them finish, then wait a beat before you answer. When you speak, ask about something they actually said rather than steering to what you wanted to say. Most people are never listened to properly, so doing even this much will be noticed and remembered.

What are the signs of a bad listener?

Interrupting, finishing other people's sentences, glancing at a phone or over someone's shoulder, and answering a story with a bigger story of your own. Also the subtler one: waiting to talk rather than listening, which shows on the face as a sort of polite impatience. Everyone has done all of these. The trick is to notice, and to catch yourself sooner each time.

Does active listening really work?

The intention behind it is sound: pay attention and show you understood. The trouble comes when it turns into a technique, with nodding on cue and every sentence repeated back. People can smell a technique. Use repetition for facts that matter, like times and names, and otherwise show you've listened by asking a better question about what they told you.

How do I make someone feel heard when I disagree with them?

Let them finish completely first. Then show them you've understood their point before you make yours, in a sentence or two, without sarcasm. Something like: 'So you think we're moving too fast, because the last launch went badly.' Once they agree that's what they meant, you can disagree calmly, and they are far more likely to hear you in return.

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